The Death of Competition in American Elections

(nytimes.com)

16 points | by whack 10 hours ago

2 comments

  • boredatoms 7 hours ago
    Australia has a solution for this: mandatory voting
    • cantrecallmypwd 3 hours ago
      It's that or sortition.
    • scotty79 7 hours ago
      How can they signal mistrust towards all of the candidates?
      • tanaros 7 hours ago
        You can submit a blank ballot. Since the ballot is secret, compulsory voting merely verifies that you got a ballot and submitted it, not that you filled it out correctly/completely.
        • amenhotep 23 minutes ago
          Which is, incidentally, the exact same way you do it in a non-compulsory voting system. Spoiled ballot is a signal that you cared enough to get off your arse and vote and deliberately chose none of the candidates, so you might be reachable with the right message. Not voting is just a signal of general apathy, not very tempting to engage with.

          63.9% turnout is just business as usual, but - if you ask me - 36.1% of ballots being spoiled would precipitate a sea change in the political landscape.

    • LargoLasskhyfv 7 hours ago
      Does it also have the option to legally chose something like:

      You're all insane! Go die in a fire!, so that the vote is counted, but not for any of the grifters?

      Meaning 90% of people voting like that, leaving 10% so called "legitimated" candidates, government falls flat, just like that. Repeat until stability emerges...

      • boredatoms 6 hours ago
        You’re not required to submit a correctly filled out vote, so you can submit a spoiled ballot, and sometimes theres a candidate who is there to sweep in the ‘none of that’ votes

        Most people do actually vote correctly though and it drowns-out the special interests

  • silexia 6 hours ago
    Unpopular opinion: Only those who truly care and spend the time to research issues and candidates should vote.
    • werrett 2 hours ago
      This is the exact opposite of what you should do.

      More disenfranchisement means more focus on rage bait / single issues that will rile up your side and juice your participation a little more (see ‘guns’, ‘pro-life’, ‘her emails’, et al). This pushes the parties to extreme opposites.

      If you have compulsory voting, as suggested down thread, then that rump of casual voters dampens the extreme views and ends up pulling the parties towards the middle. Lots of “well there’s hardly any difference” swing voters. Parties do still end up competing on differences (‘gay marriage’, ‘immigration crack downs’) but extreme or patently false views are punished (‘jan 6 was a peaceful protest’).

      The argument against compulsory voting is it slows ‘political innovation’ and drives a degree of apathy (‘there’s no difference between the bastards’). Minor parties and things like Preferential Voting can help address.

    • jfim 5 hours ago
      The problem with that is that there's x% of the voters that won't count, and parties would argue about the correct value of x interminably, especially if the value of x determines who is the winner of the election.

      That can also end up like the "literacy tests" that were used to disenfranchise certain voters based on their skin color.

    • cantrecallmypwd 3 hours ago
      We're putting too much focus on popularity and celebrity candidates, and then masses of uneducated people (compared to the knowledge of average Europeans) pseudo-vetting clowns. Instead, we should have a large pool of vetted potential candidates (drawn from, say, all lawyers, architects, professional engineers, doctors, and similar professionals) who are chosen at random through sortition to fill the most contentious roles for 2 years, one and only one time. The roles then become functionary administrators like city managers, but on a larger scale. No more political parties, no more plutocracy, no more drama.