My take on vibe coding for PMs

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21 points | by dmckinno 3 hours ago

7 comments

  • 650 35 minutes ago
    Meta, and other large companies have been encouraging PMs to code, while I've seen many negative responses from engineers having to code review, debug, deal with production issues, etc. stemming from crappy code they don't understand. Metrics and KPIs are being gamed into stupid incentives like lines of code, commits, and tickets closed. Leadership claims they are aware of Goodhart's Law, but their actions show otherwise.

    Overall the rise of business types in tech company leadership has led to a drop in engineering quality, a rise in short term metrics, and fiascos like the COVID overhiring into multiple rounds of layoffs.

  • Ronsenshi 38 minutes ago
    > Fun!!!!!

    I noticed that AI evangelists really love to use word "fun" to describe anything they do with AI.

    Claw people particularly seem really love to use that word when answering what practical or useful they do with AI agents. It's always something absurdly trivial followed by "and it's just fun!"

    Don't really have any conclusion to this - just thought to share this observation.

  • raviisoccupied 17 minutes ago
    I don’t think this is a spicy take at all. A PM’s job is to prioritise, and the most important/high priority projects will naturally be handled by Engineers enabled with AI-coding workflows. The high priority/impact work should be allocated to the folks with the highest level of skill.

    I feel like PMs coding unlocks a whole new category of work, mainly addressing the long tail of cool ideas/small optimisations that ordinarily would not be addressed. Time will tell how valuable these items are in the long term.

    And I say this as a PM.

  • ambicapter 26 minutes ago
    The linked article on evals is even more interesting.
  • aurareturn 47 minutes ago
    I think technical PMs or product oriented developers are the future most valuable people.
    • WhiteOwlLion 27 minutes ago
      You make a better product if you plan it out first. That’s part of a PM’s job so it’s natural fit when the ai does the coding. The code may not be ideal but it’ll have the structure you can improve on.
  • sublinear 43 minutes ago
    > Why should PMs code? Better communicate the idea/feature

    I think this is the main takeaway, but I'm curious how bad the PM must have been at communicating to begin with if this is necessary.