Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone

(theregister.com)

59 points | by _____k 3 hours ago

16 comments

  • chappi42 1 hour ago
    This article fails to mention GrapheneOS.

    The article starts with Murena, Punkt, Volla which are all based on Android. If you do this, then imho you must mention GrapheneOS, the by far better option (updates, privacy, security, organisation).

    Google Pixel with GrapheneOS is the best non-Google phone... ;-)

    • gunalx 12 minutes ago
      As much as I like graphene it is literary running on google hardware (atm) and uses asop. Even if it is a really good option is you want to run degoogled and secure android.
    • gib444 43 minutes ago
      GrapheneOS requires a Google Pixel (currently) though. That's why they omitted it I imagine
    • hulitu 28 minutes ago
      > This article fails to mention GrapheneOS.

      From Wikipedia: "GrapheneOS[b] (/ˈɡræfiːn.oʊˈɛs/) is a free and open-source, privacy- and security-focused, Android-based operating system"

      So still Android.

  • janvlug 1 hour ago
    I use a Librem5 Linux phone. With the default PureOS operating system.

    Enjoy your freedom, break free from Google and Apple.

    Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.

    See also the discussion on this post: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116504044251287290

  • pavlov 1 hour ago
    Jolla still exists:

    https://jolla.com/

    They develop Sailfish, a non-Google Linux-based mobile OS that can apparently run Android apps decently in a sandbox.

    • ttkari 45 minutes ago
      They are also less than 2 months away from the first deliveries of the Jolla Phone 2026, a new SailfishOS device they have designed and built from scratch. Over the past years the official Sailfish experience has largely been relying on Sony Open Device program - a co-operation which hasn't always been very smooth for the customers.

      I have been daily driving SFOS on a Sony Xperia 10 III for the past 3 years and it works well for me. I think the 10 III is the current "peak Sailfish" at least among the officially supported devices but this should change once the new phones roll out in early July. For new orders of the 2026 phone they are currently aiming for delivery in September in the supported markets (EU, UK, Norway and Switzerland).

      • bobim 28 minutes ago
        I have rage-quit apple for a C2 and the muscle memory still kicks in after months. The ergonomy of Sailfish is sometimes bizarre, the little top left dot for navigation for example. Still it does everything I need, just with a very bad camera. Let's hope the 2026 will fix that.
        • ttkari 12 minutes ago
          Oh but you don't usually need to care for the dot itself so much as it's just an indicator that you can do a middle swipe left/right to move between stacked pages.
  • skc 40 minutes ago
    Many years later and I'm still bitter that the tech press laughed Windows Phone out of the room straight to its demise. Yes it had very little developer support but at some point things were looking up. It was just the butt of too many jokes from influential people.

    A third ecosystem right now would have been amazing

    • skeeter2020 7 minutes ago
      >> It was just the butt of too many jokes from influential people.

      I loved my Windows phones (especially near the end when you were getting Pixel & Apple level hardware for pennies on the dollar), but is this really true? They had limited hardware partners (and the disaster with Nokia), lukewarm carrier deals, absolutely no apps, but who were these "influential people" who made fun of it? If anything it seemed more like no-one was even aware of it. I remember the little press they did get being quite positive on the devices & OS, while critical of the broader ecosystem, which seems fair.

    • The_President 30 minutes ago
      The Windows phone didn't make it due to Microsoft failing to compete, not the press.

      Not many tech products exite me less than the concept of a Microsoft Windows 365 Copilot Cortana phone.

    • dessimus 14 minutes ago
      Given what Microsoft has done with the state of Windows with built-in telemetry, the attempts to add Recall, and now AI features they are adding to many customers dismay, you have them doing anything different with Windows Phone if it had gained traction than Apple and Google?
  • jiehong 10 minutes ago
    HarmonyOS from Huawei is no longer based on Android, but it’s not an open OS.
  • mentos 16 minutes ago
    What would a mobile OS look like if the browser became the operating system and apps were sandboxed WASM instead of native APKs?
    • skeeter2020 3 minutes ago
      Palm webOS has entered the chat!
  • sigmoid10 1 hour ago
    I really want to try one of these one day: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/promoted/

    But I haven't dared yet because I kind of expect it will not be able to replace my current phone.

    • realusername 1 hour ago
      Ubuntu Touch was amazing, way ahead of Android and iOS when it came out, the touch gestures were so much better than what was available.

      But then it's just maintained by very few people nowadays and half abandoned.

      You can buy a used Pixel 3a if you want to toy around with it, they cost nothing.

  • amelius 1 hour ago
    Is anyone successfully running Android inside a container in Linux, for their daily apps?
  • dwedge 27 minutes ago
    Given how many of these were running android, I'm surprised Mudita Kompakt wasn't listed.
  • anta40 1 hour ago
    So which one has the biggest chance to be Android/iOS alternative?

    Many many years ago, smarphone users had these choices:

    Symbian, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, PalmOS... what else?

    • ajdude 1 hour ago
      Windows phone still had the best ux of any smartphone, I just wish the ecosystem was there. To this day nothing even comes close to smart tiles.
  • smeggysmeg 1 hour ago
    I moved to a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS a few weeks ago. I can do everything I need to, everything I want to, and with more control over my digital footprint and what data is being collected about me. I've completely moved off Google services.

    The OS experience is pretty impressive for not being made by an evil megacorp. The hardware is fairly midrange, but midrange today is last year's top end, and unless you're some expert photographer or needing phone VR or whatever, it's a great, normal smartphone experience.

    I'm donating to the open source devs who make my apps, and they respond when I ask for useful features instead of always enshittifying it. For the corpo apps, it pulls from Google Play.

  • ElFitz 57 minutes ago
    I looked at Punkt.

    They keep saying "If you don’t pay for the product, you are the product". Okay, all fine and well.

    But what will my phone still actually be able to do if / when I stop my subscription? Not a single clear answer besides "[…] gradual feature deactivation, and ultimately reverting to a device running AOSP".

    Doesn’t really inspire confidence.

  • trvz 1 hour ago
    > But can I run my apps?

    > Well, probably, yes.

    Even with "probably" as a qualifier, this is disingenuous.

    Not even Android has caught up to the highest tier of apps available on iOS.

  • attila-lendvai 15 minutes ago
    err, what? not a single mention of grapheneos in the entire article?
  • DeathArrow 1 hour ago
    I usually buy either Xiaomi or Oppo phones and I am pretty happy.
    • vovavili 1 hour ago
      Still a "Google phone" as per the definition of this article. They're looking for Linux-based non-Android phones.
    • retired 1 hour ago
      Are Xiaomi phones still legal in the EU with their proprietary chargers? All phones need to have USB-C and USB-PD now.
      • dobladov 1 hour ago
        Which proprietary charger? I always had Xiaomi phones and they always use USB ports.
        • retired 1 hour ago
          Xiaomi uses a proprietary charging protocol, I believe it is called Hypercharge. It also requires a proprietary cable with an extra pin/chip.
      • surgical_fire 42 minutes ago
        The wife has a Xiaomi phone, we live in EU.

        It was sold normally as any other cellphone.

  • bekon 1 hour ago
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