Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

(news.mongabay.com)

254 points | by hn_acker 3 days ago

11 comments

  • culi 6 hours ago
    Just wanna say, Monga Bay is an incredible publication that doesn't get enough attention. As someone who follows a lot of environmental news, they routinely cover important topics and do original journalism on stories I hear nowhere else. Their YouTube channel is full of extremely high quality videos that often get less than 2k views. I would highly recommend checking them out

    https://www.youtube.com/@MongabayTV/videos

    Here's a few of my favorites:

    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2rfy9HkzSs

    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZEkt4Ph41M

    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynXNzOUI7Xw

    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMeui4P6urY

    • bluebarbet 37 minutes ago
      As I understand it, they've finally been getting noticed in the last year or two. This is a super professional nonprofit media outlet that's producing an almost incredible volume of reporting on subjects of critical importance that almost nobody else is covering. It really is a lesson in the limits to the organic surfacing of quality in the attention economy.
    • harimau777 4 hours ago
      How do they tend to clock in on the doomer scale? I'm trying to find alternatives to the regular news that don't feed my doomerism.
      • culi 47 minutes ago
        I'd actually say climate/environmental news has had an optimism bias because there was a strong strain of thinking reporting on how dreadful certain things are would cause people to give up. I'd say Mongabay is mostly focused on solutions but does not shy away from covering environmental injustices.

        If you want something more hopeful, it's hard to suggest news in general, but I really like Shareable's focus on community solutions https://www.shareable.net/stories/

        And I also enjoy updates from certain orgs that are actually doing projects:

        - Andrew Millison taught permaculture at Oregon State and then worked for the United Nations. His channel is an incredible gallery of amazing climate solutions around the world: https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos

        - Mossy Earth is a nonprofit that does a lot of cool restoration and rewilding projects that have had tremendous success: https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth/videos

        - Ecosia (yes the search engine) also does similar work. They collaborate with a lot of nonprofits around the world so its also a good jumping off point to find other groups: https://www.youtube.com/@Ecosia/videos

      • embedding-shape 3 hours ago
        I meant look at the titles of the recent videos, it's all about disaster recovery/prevention, saving wildlife & nature and getting the perspective from native populations, some stuff will be happy, some stuff will indirectly/directly be not so happy. Maybe I wouldn't call it "happy news", maybe "pensive" is more fitting?
  • ynac 7 hours ago
    We just had our first bear crossing on a wildlife here in the Northwest.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/first-black-bear-u...

    I know these things are more complicated than they seem at first, but whenever these stories surface, I immediately go to an idealistic childhood cartoon land where we have a prime directive that tells us to go forth(!) and watch out for each other!

    • vjvjvjvjghv 6 hours ago
      I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"
      • hombre_fatal 3 hours ago
        There are infinite alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral, like remove the parts where innocent people are punished on someone else’s behalf (raped, stoned, killed) or commanded to enslaved others and take virgins as the spoils of war.

        Thankfully over the centuries some people have used their human moral intuitions to gloss over some of the worst parts. But would’ve been much nicer to not have those parts at all.

        • dylan604 3 hours ago
          > alterations you can make to the bible to make it more moral

          this is brilliant. The book that is supposed to the be the word on morality needs edits. I can hear the religious right gathering their pitchforks and tiki lights now. It's a perfect book written by the almighty. But for those that don't drink that particular kool-aid it's a self evident observation since it's a book of cherry picked stories by a group of people to push their agenda.

          • smj-edison 1 hour ago
            Depends how you interpret it tbh. At least in my tradition the focus is on seeing the good, bad, and ugly of history. There's many bible stories that are more cautionary tales than role models.

            Now to be fair, there's also examples of God (as portrayed by the writers) being vindictive and harsh. I don't have great answers for that, but I do wonder how much it is seeing through their perspective of the situation and how much it was God. (I obviously come at this as a believer).

            As to being the only moral text... I certainly hope it's not, because we've learned a lot since then, and I hope what's considered truth can expand beyond one book.

            EDIT: not to dismiss your points, just to say that some of us view it in a more nuanced way.

      • nvarsj 5 hours ago
        Well no king would ever accept and propagate that religion.
      • harimau777 4 hours ago
        A lot of Christians argue that it does say exactly that. In Genesis 2:15, God tells Adam to care for the planet:

        The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.

        Of course fundamentalists tend not to see it that way.

        • echelon_musk 1 hour ago
          > Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

          John 2:15

          • hoten 59 minutes ago
            (that's 1 John 2:15 - John 2:15 is the one where Jesus attacks the money changers)

            The next line is critical for context, as it defines what "things in the world" means.

            > [...] For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

            Seems clear to me this isn't about creation (ie not saying don't cherish nature / animals).

      • lotsofpulp 5 hours ago
        The tribe with the bible that directed to multiply would have conquered the tribe with the bible that directed respect the earth and all living beings because back then, might was proportional to population.
        • mr_toad 4 hours ago
          “ It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?”

          - Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune

          • user- 3 hours ago
            better to attribute it to God Emperor Leto Atreides II , not Frank Herbet the author
          • underlipton 2 hours ago
            The same can be said for moments where avoiding savage decisions resulted in survival; when oblivion was the alternative, and where it was the result of humanity's capacity for compassion and cooperation overcoming "civilized" humankind's tendency towards a banal and unthinking brutality.

            Remember that, multiple times in the past half-century, the protocol was to launch all ICBMs and pray.

          • gambiting 4 hours ago
            Which is kinda hilarious given that despite being called a tyrant, Leto II had basically created a post scarcity society that was almost entirely castrated of violence or capacity for it. He kept chastising people for that desire to tame those base instincts but he was doing the exact same thing. It's just a funny thing to quote given the context of his character.
        • Etheryte 3 hours ago
          [dead]
      • Jensson 4 hours ago
        It would look like India.
      • infogulch 4 hours ago
        "be fruitful" and "replenish the earth" is already aligned

        As for "subdue", ask anyone maintaining a large garden how much they have to work to keep it from reverting back to a wilderness. Gardening is choosing which species stay and which are forcibly removed and optimizing the environment to enable your chosen species to thrive. If the words "subdue" and "dominion" freak you out, pick your brains up off the floor and go touch grass.

        Western civilization has decided that it wants to keep the primate species and is dissatisfied when they become roadkill, so it altered the environment to enable the chosen species to thrive. This article is a gardening success story. Gardening requires dominion. We have dominion over the primates and we have chosen to be benevolent with that dominion.

        • rbanffy 4 hours ago
          > so it altered the environment

          The motorway was not a natural occurrence, and neither cars or trucks evolved naturally. Humans went there and installed a limited fix for the destruction they caused in the first place.

          • infogulch 2 hours ago
            I put a path in my garden so I can continue to maintain the garden, and walk around and enjoy it. But oh no, my daisies are wilting because they're too close to the path. So I adjust the path, raise the bed a little bit, and add a border, and they're happy after a little bit of water.

            Totally normal gardener behavior.

        • andrepd 1 hour ago
          Jesus, what a bizarrely aggressive response.
  • aorth 4 hours ago
    This is really cool. We have them in Kenya too. https://www.colobusconservation.org/how-to-build-a-colobridg...
  • korijn 7 hours ago
    For one moment there I thought Amazon had done a good thing!
    • em3rgent0rdr 6 hours ago
      Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle. It's really not too hard to create a new name for your company, e.g. Microsoft, Facebook and Nvidia.
      • loloquwowndueo 5 hours ago
        Microsoft doesn’t belong in this list after they trademarked Windows, Word, Works (remember, Microsoft Works is an oxymoron) and others.
        • inigyou 5 hours ago
          Microsoft Works was such a weird product because it was just half-assed Microsoft Office, but Microsoft Office already existed.
          • loloquwowndueo 5 hours ago
            No. Works predated Office by 3 years at least. The first versions of Works ran under ms-dos.
            • SoftTalker 4 hours ago
              Several other vendors had office "works" suites too. ClarisWorks, AppleWorks, seems like there were some others for the variety of platforms in the 80s/90s but I can't recall them offhand.
          • throwaway2037 2 hours ago
            As I understand, Microsoft Works was primary aimed at retail buyers, but Microsoft Office was aimed at enterprises users. MW was probably half the cost of MO. It is market segmentation, as I see it.
      • GaryBluto 4 hours ago
        If you count Google as an appropriation of Googol, surely Nvidia appropriates Invidia?
        • nilamo 3 hours ago
          Those are different though? At no point in that sentence was I confused about which word meant what. Unlike Amazonian datacenters deep in the Amazon's Amazon.
      • manquer 3 hours ago
        Related - companies named after animals or use animal names as part of their name /logo /mascot should at least contribute a share of their profits to its conservation
      • toast0 6 hours ago
        Facebook isn't a new name either. Some schools would publish and distribute a book of student photos with names at the beginning of the school year, to help recognize peers; these were called a facebook. Yearbooks are similar, but published at the end of the year and also have a lot of content about what happened that year and organizations and sports.
      • fhdkweig 6 hours ago
        A face book is a generic term for a school directory with photographs. That's why Zuckerberg called it The Facebook to differentiate it from all the other face books.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book

      • ssl-3 2 hours ago
        nVidia comes from the Latin word invidia, which means things like envy, or jealousy.

        Microsoft (originally Micro-Soft) is a portmanteau of microcomputer and software.

        Facebook, as others have mentioned, is a compound word that was borrowed from what literal books of faces [and names] were called.

        When I think of non-dictionary names, I think of things like Mosptnspg.

      • wat10000 5 hours ago
        I don’t think Google should be on that list. The word is “googol.”
        • jader201 2 hours ago
          Not to mention, even “googol” is a word almost no one uses (unlike “apple” and “Amazon”).
      • throwaway2037 2 hours ago
        Wildberries
      • hodgesrm 4 hours ago
        > Pet peeve: companies that appropriate a dictionary term for their name, e.g. Apple, Google (& Alphabet), Amazon, Oracle.

        Hard disagree. Consider "Oracle," a truly inspired name for a database company. It's an admirable choice. Here's the computer science definition.

        > In complexity theory and computability theory, an oracle machine is an abstract machine that can query a black box called an oracle, which is able to give an answer to any instance of a certain problem in a single operation.

        There's also the wealth of linkages with classical oracles, e.g., Delphi, Cumae (technically a Sibyl), Dodona, etc. [1] Taken together, it's hard to think of a better name.

        [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine

        [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle

    • Falimonda 5 hours ago
      Selling you dirt-cheap goods with next-day delivery isn't enough for you?
    • skeeter2020 6 hours ago
      same - I was like "headline reads like PR but I guess it's good..." reminder to self: there was an Amazon before the bald bookseller
    • kotaKat 6 hours ago
      I thought for a moment this was some kind of reference to "no more destroyed Amazon Ground trailers on underpasses"...
    • everyone 6 hours ago
      I had the exact same reaction for a moment. But no, of course not.
  • dmix 6 hours ago
    I remember reading that back in the day North America used to have more trees and dense vegetation that squirrels rarely touched the ground since that was more dangerous for them, so they would use the trees like highways.
    • ofalkaed 1 hour ago
      Tree squirrels are big on digging, they bury food for later retrieval and eat a good amount of terrestrial foods. You regularly see them on the ground even in dense forest. Flying squirrels stick more to the trees but their gliding ability means dense forest is not a requirement for avoiding the ground.
  • inigyou 5 hours ago
    This is the first time Cloudflare has told me I am a bot and can't pass even if I click the box.
  • bitwize 32 minutes ago
    Oh snap, I'm so Hackernews-brained I thought Amazon (company) had sponsored the construction of special animal-crossing bridges for San Francisco freeways.
  • nubg 5 hours ago
    This is one of the rare headline where Amazon does not refer to the hyperscaler
    • fritzo 3 hours ago
      I dunno, seems like Amazon the forest is the real hyperscaler
    • fragmede 5 hours ago
      What? Amazon Canopy is their new Global Anycast Load Balancer product(GALB)!
  • roughly 5 hours ago
    I don't know what the local fauna looks like, but I'm curious if it'd be possible to start training trees or vines across the bridges as a way to gradually replace the ropes with something more durable - I'm thinking something like the Root Bridges in India[1] that last for centuries.

    I worry with projects like this that the first version's easy enough to build and show off, but if you don't keep up with the ongoing maintenance you're right back where you started within a decade, and "monkey bridge maintenance" is an easy budgetary line item for the "fiscal conservatives" to go after.

    [1] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/living-root-bridges-in...

    • HaloZero 4 hours ago
      I've been here! It takes a veryyyyy long time to grow them unfortunately and they're not as durable as they seem though. I don't think they last for centuries...
  • codeddesign 5 hours ago
    Do the animals actually understand roads or that these are crossing points? Or a hope that a percentage will stumble upon them?
    • embedding-shape 4 hours ago
      It ends up being the path of least resistance. In many places, there are wildlife fencing around motorways, but it always ends up with holes and animals crossing via the holes, mostly because the animals want to get to the other side and don't find another way. I've never seen those kind of "hanging jungle bridges" like the article talks about, but "wildlife bridges" which literally are bridges with just earth/tress/vegetation on top I've encountered a bunch of times. When those exists, the animals who want to cross can then find a path to get to the other side, without resorting to making a hole in the fence and crossing the roads.
    • SoftTalker 4 hours ago
      They probably see it as an easier crossing than coming down out of the trees to cross the road at ground level. They might feel it's safer too, as being on the open ground is more exposure to predators, which they would instinctively avoid.
    • acjohnson55 4 hours ago
      Apparently, they do
  • diogenescynic 6 hours ago
    California would find a much more expensive solution that worked far less well. The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing cost an estimated $115M--a total waste of tax payer funds. Bravo to this practical and effective solution.
    • megaloblasto 6 hours ago
      Whoa that's awesome. I didn't know California had one of those. Keeps animals, humans, and cars safe and looks beautiful too.
      • diogenescynic 3 hours ago
        At the cost of $115M we could have built a new public university or added more light rail somewhere it's desperately needed like Orange County or San Diego. I am not against land crossings for animals, but the way the government just blows tax money with no accountability on projects the public has almost no direct benefit from is quite extraordinary.
        • rootusrootus 2 hours ago
          > new public university

          I assume you meant to say building, yes?

          > added more light rail somewhere it's desperately needed like Orange County or San Diego

          In San Diego, 115M would get you what, half a mile of light rail?

          • diogenescynic 2 hours ago
            You're making my argument for me. Infrastructure costs in California are outrageously more expensive than any other developed country--for no reason other than grift.
    • tokai 6 hours ago
      This is a solution specifically for arboreal animals, while the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing is explicitly for mountain lions.
      • asdff 3 hours ago
        I think the idea of more opportunities to cross is good but the pricetag is absurd still. After all, they are terraforming a hillside. I think it is a little misplaced though. We assume animals need this to cross but it seems they can take a regular old bridge just fine. You can probably build a cheap "animal only" overpass, e.g. maybe a light load mesh metal or plank bridge or somesuch, for a fraction the cost and offer many fold more crossing opportunities across more of the freeway vs just one big budget spectacle. I'm sure the contractor was connected in some way. A sort of storm drain like underpass design would probably also be cheap if done during routine freeway work.
        • bix6 1 hour ago
          Do you know how much accidents cost? $100M is nothing in comparison over the long term. Plus this was a 10 lane overpass and a unique build during a high inflation period. That is not simple terraforming amigo.
        • tokai 3 hours ago
          Instead of guessing you could look into the research literature on animal road crossings. Its a surprisingly large area of study because it is hard to get animals to use these constructions. Maybe they did a bad and expensive job, but you have nothing to base that on at all.
    • bix6 5 hours ago
      Ok what’s your solution? I’m seeing more and more wild life bridges and tunnels so clearly the engineers think they work.
      • diogenescynic 3 hours ago
        Or maybe it's just a good project for lawyers and lobbyists to get kickbacks...
        • bix6 1 hour ago
          What are you even on about dude…
    • kitd 3 hours ago
      Not exactly apples to oranges though, is it?
      • diogenescynic 3 hours ago
        Sure, but that's not the point. My point is that infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries for no apparent reason. We spend a million dollars of tax payer funds to build one single public bathroom in LA or even more in SF. There's something fundamentally broken... I appreciate seeing cost effective solutions that actually works. In California, it seems like most government 'solutions' are a complete scam to divert tax dollars into someone's pet project and create a funnel for their own income/profit.
        • rootusrootus 2 hours ago
          > infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries

          Is that really true? For a simple example, it looks like a simple surface light rail line in the US typically runs about 100M/mi. That's pretty much the same as what it costs in the UK.

          • diogenescynic 1 hour ago
            I may be exaggerating the exact number, but it's a well known fact that infrastructure costs more in California. The subway in San Francisco's Chinatown was more expensive than most modern airports... we're being scammed.
            • bix6 1 hour ago
              You’re exaggerating well known facts? Bro get some facts in here instead of just spewing anti California rhetoric.