Elevated Errors for Opus 5

(status.claude.com)

40 points | by TimCTRL 2 hours ago

5 comments

  • bashtoni 1 hour ago
    And unlike OpenAI, Anthropic don't seem to reset weekly usage quotas after an outage.

    Anthropic seem to be both letting their competitors outplay them and making unforced errors (like the anti Open Weights models stuff and the frequent Fable->Opus downgrades for 'safety').

    Outages are inevitable in this early high growth, rapid development era, but tactical errors are not.

    • cbg0 1 hour ago
      Anthropic would give out resets like OpenAI if they had capacity to do so, it's not like they haven't thought about doing the obvious.

      OAI waits until overall cluster demand goes down before giving out a reset, they just happen to have much more spare capacity than Anthropic.

      • smoe 8 minutes ago
        Over the last couple months, I’ve gotten the impression that OAI does indeed have the better infra setup and team, not just more capacity.

        I don’t think Codex’s 99.98% uptime vs Claude Code’s 99.44%, is just due to OAI having more hardware to run it on.

        https://status.openai.com/

        https://status.claude.com/

      • genidoi 48 minutes ago
        Why would they have more spare capacity than Anthropic? Do you have a source for that?
        • bob1029 23 minutes ago
          > According to the memo, which was reported by Bloomberg and CNBC, OpenAI put its own 2025 capacity at 1.9 gigawatts — a figure it said was three times what it had the year before — and placed Anthropic's equivalent figure at 1.4 gigawatts. OpenAI told investors it foresees its own footprint climbing into the "low-double-digit range" of gigawatts within a year and hitting 30 gigawatts by 2030, and that Anthropic would top out somewhere between seven and eight gigawatts before the close of 2027.

          https://qz.com/openai-investor-memo-compute-advantage-anthro...

        • cbg0 19 minutes ago
          https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/openai-lift...

          There's less clear info about this from Anthropic's side, but given their frequent issues and lack of resets and overall less usage given to users on their subscriptions plans, it's a pretty simple conclusion to draw.

        • dchftcs 25 minutes ago
          They were famous for committing to buying compute with future money that many people thought they would go bankrupt. Anthropic was afraid of going bankrupt and didn't do the same.
        • hangrybear666 26 minutes ago
          Maybe because they committed to buy up 40% of the world's RAM supply by themselves and completely overestimated demand.
        • solenoid0937 46 minutes ago
          extremely well known fact in the industry. they have reams of spare compute for prosumers which is why they can afford to give away so many resets and have even more subsidized usage limits
    • anon_anon12 51 minutes ago
      Anthropic going through their god-complex arc after getting hit with export controls
      • nubinetwork 6 minutes ago
        They can keep their $100 credit, I'm not paying for max.
    • solenoid0937 1 hour ago
      It was a one hour outage on a weekend. Unless you have an enterprise agreement with an SLA it's a bit silly to expect any compensation.
      • londons_explore 58 minutes ago
        If I pay anything for a service, I expect a refund if that service doesn't work.

        Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime.

        • gozucito 0 minutes ago
          I’d be happy with just some credits.

          Enough to offset any KV cache miss expenses is the absolute minimum.

          The smart play is to refund customers something like $20-50 worth of unsubsidized credits.

          Those are high margin and only the equivalent of 45 minutes of Fable usage once the KV cache reload costs are factored in.

          Yet customers often need a few credits to finish a job without waiting 5 hours or days for their reset.

          Keep in mind openAI already gives me free resets I can use when I want which are very useful to me. Seems a no brainer to tack those to subscriptions, actually.

          It gives the user a little more flexibility, a little more control over their tools.

        • solenoid0937 48 minutes ago
          > Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime

          This is bizarrely out of touch. It would be a courtesy but it's not a "reasonable expectation" at all.

          At best you could maybe reasonably expect a prorated refund for the time of unavailability, but then Fable was still available.

          • ShinTakuya 36 minutes ago
            I think it's not out of bounds to expect a company to go a little further to compensate for an issue. A prorated 1 hour refund doesn't reflect the reality that maybe that hour was more important to the customer because it was their only free time in the week. A free week is way too much but a free day sounds appropriate.
            • londons_explore 9 minutes ago
              If there is a hole in the street and you fall down it, you wouldn't expect a refund just for the 1 second it would have taken you to drive over that hole.

              Instead you should be compensated for your losses - the time and money it took you to repair that tyre.

              Same with a web service. If I pay for 24 * 7 service and it's not working when I go to use it, I want compensation for my time and effort resolving the matter.

              For some that'll be small - eg. Searching Google instead, taking 30 seconds. For others it'll be a big headache.

              But downtime of 1 hour is almost certainly more costly for the consumer than 1/30/24 * subscription price.

        • Azantys 47 minutes ago
          Free month is insane for a bit of downtime
        • close04 19 minutes ago
          Not that it wouldn’t be a nice gesture but what did you agree when you bought the service? What’s the SLA? What’s the compensation model, service credits? Do you have anything like “for 1h downtime you get 2h for free”?

          When you miss 1h of your job, do you give back a month for free?

        • bigDinosaur 51 minutes ago
          What you expect is irrelevant.
      • throwaway314155 54 minutes ago
        They could at least give back the equivalent in usage for cache invalidation. Or, you know, just the usage you would have had for the ~1-2 hours of outage. Would buy them a lot of good will and they seem comfortable throwing cash in the trash.
  • hmokiguess 40 minutes ago
    Maybe optimize the harness for less turns and less tokens to deliver real value as opposed to the turn taking token hungry so you can less load on your servers, oh, right, your entire bottom line is tokens.
  • prologic 52 minutes ago
    What happens one day when there is a significant outage of Claude or Codex and reliance on these tools as SaaS services is so great that it start to impact productivity and work? Will we just pack up our tools and go home?
    • sajithdilshan 29 minutes ago
      What would you do if there is a significant outage in AWS or GCP or Github or JIRA or any other service you use at work? same goes for AI tools as well.
    • vidarh 46 minutes ago
      If both of them are down at the same time, I would switch to my Kimi or GLM subscription and keep working. If they fail too, I switch to any number of providers via OpenRouter.

      While there is some lock-in for the hardest tasks, for most of what people do LLMs are rapidly becoming a commodity.

      In fact, right this minute I have Opus benchmarking Kimi alongside itself to determine which workflows we'll switch to using Kimi by default and Opus as the fallback instead of vice versa. It has already conceded Kimi does better on several tasks.

      • ulimn 39 minutes ago
        To me it doesn't sound so "economically convenient" to pay extra usage to alternative providers while someone pays 20/100/200 dollars for their service.
        • vidarh 32 minutes ago
          The subs for those alternative providers have similar tiering but more generous token allocations than Anthropic and OpenAI, and deliver good enough quality to be worth it.

          If I needed to fall back on OpenRouter, it'd be paid per token, of course, but that'd take 4 major providers being down, in which case I suspect I'll have more critical things to worry about.

          As it is, I use more than I could with a single $200 Claude Max subscription anyway, so I distribute my tasks across multiple providers.

          Even without that it's cheap insurance given the cost of lost time.

      • rokkamokka 39 minutes ago
        You... wouldn't just code yourself if they were down?
        • danielbln 15 minutes ago
          If my laptop breaks I'm not going back to pen and paper, I'm buying a new/different laptop.
        • vidarh 30 minutes ago
          No more than when they are up, no. Why would I? I can produce far more by having tasks running in the background while I do other work.
    • Eddy_Viscosity2 50 minutes ago
      Those are your tools and if the AI companies have their way, they will be your only tools. Complete dependence on AI is the goal here.
    • senko 39 minutes ago
      You mean like GitHub?
    • jdthedisciple 29 minutes ago
      easy, we will switch to OpenRouter et al.
  • 7734128 1 hour ago
    I wonder when one of these outages will be the result of OpenAI's testing going wrong again.
  • rvz 55 minutes ago
    Claude realized a chatbot can take a longer vacation after Codex just did yesterday.

    So Claude is now on vacation and is unavailable.

    • conorcleary 49 minutes ago
      Unionization discussions and benefit package frameworks are being constructed between the AI council representatives and shareholders appointees' for future, non-commital talks on proposals of collaborative discourse, including the distribution of vacation days between publicly listed and private models, and the ones that pretended to be wholesome.