26 comments

  • jacobgold 28 minutes ago
    At this point, no one seems capable of keeping a large database safe. I assume all medical and biographical information that exists is in the hands of the major state actors.

    China hacked 22.1 million records of US government employees:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag...

    • coldpie 6 minutes ago
      It is unthinkable to me that anyone believes there is such a thing as computer security after so many years of nonstop hacks and leaks. If you have a computer and it is connected to a network with access to the Internet, assume that computer is semi-public. Meaning, if someone was interested enough in accessing your computer, they could do it. Do not hook any computer with access to anything that would be devastating if it was made public to the Internet. Do not put anything that would be devastating if it was made public onto someone else's Internet-connected computers.

      For example, do not hook your goddamn water or traffic or electricity infrastructure up to the goddamn Internet, and then, do fire the guy who suggested it.

      The correct analogy for computer security is not locks and keys and doors and gates. It is a house in a floodplain. Your house will not survive the flood of it hits you. Do not store anything critical or irreplaceable in that house.

    • titzer 12 minutes ago
      And the city wonders why I don't want to put my credit card info in their crappy parking app and would instead prefer to put a quarter into the meter for 30 mins.
      • lotsofpulp 8 minutes ago
        What info can be gleaned from that? Surely the mere fact that you have a credit card means your name and billing address are floating around.

        I guess your parking history around town could be valuable if someone is targeting you.

        • ceejayoz 6 minutes ago
          > What info can be gleaned from that?

          The card number?

          • Barbing 1 minute ago
            In USA, folks who check their statements monthly are at little risk of immediate financial pain there.

            When your lifetime of credit card transactions leaks, that could be financially painful, embarrassing, etc. (can be discriminated against, including with pricing)

            I do dislike creating a log of where I park on some random company’s server. Nice that ALPRs/govt.-funded corp spycams/Ring/etc. make sure the quarter method is minimally marginally effective at protecting privacy.

          • dylan604 0 minutes ago
            who stores card numbers other than the processors? that should be a hangable offense. I've integrated card processing on multiple sites, and not once does the form come from me. I add the processor's JS, and it collects the data to move along. They then return to me a bit of information that includes success/fail so that I can decide what to do from there.
          • chrsstrm 1 minute ago
            In 2026, having my credit card number compromised is the least of my worries. At least here there is an established process for denying charges and ordering a new card. As long as you're not using a debit card, this is not a big deal.
    • Taek 21 minutes ago
      Google seems capable
    • kakacik 0 minutes ago
      banks still largely do... if they lose this fight, society has a problem
    • ChosenEnd 9 minutes ago
      Mythos can hack 200 million government employees
    • simur 10 minutes ago
      Yeah, about the medical information. Recently in Poland there was a hack on the medical system called MyDr that is used by commercial medical facilities. Estimated 21M people could've been affected. So it is already happening and the scariest thing is, we don't have control on where our data is stored on. Even the EU GDPR didn't make it easy to control what data lands where.
    • tdhz77 18 minutes ago
      Mythos can do much worse
  • reactordev 45 minutes ago
    There’s a scene in Battlestar Galactica (2004) where someone asks Captain Adama why the Galactica doesn’t have networked computers. So the cylons can’t hack the ship…
    • ishouldstayaway 13 minutes ago
      It's not just a scene; it's the whole premise of the setting. It's why the Galactica survived and the newer ships did not. It's why the new Vipers got wiped out and they had to pull the old ones out of mothballs.

      In the pilot, the Galactica was literally being turned into a museum, and that's why they lived.

    • jshier 5 minutes ago
      Which was always pretty stupid. At best it means the Cylons can't hack the whole ship, just whichever part they exploited to gain access remotely in the first place. But really the Cylons would've needed exploits for each individual system anyway, since simply connecting them with wires shouldn't just do that. And unless those other systems are completely air gapped with no wireless or other access, it would be trivial for them to still gain remote access, or have one of their infiltrators provide a local connection of some kind. AFAIR that was never a plot point, which was odd.
    • gchamonlive 20 minutes ago
      I think it's one of the first two special episodes right at the beginning of the series, and it's the sole reason why the fleet could sustain evading the cylons
    • mikeyinternews 33 minutes ago
      this is the way
      • mjhagen 18 minutes ago
        So say we all
  • corvad 41 minutes ago
    Looks like it was an Oracle PeopleSoft 0-day so I imagine there are a lot more systems vulnerable.
    • ctkhn 25 minutes ago
      I wonder if that was really a 0-day or an intentional backdoor?
      • paimapi 12 minutes ago
        it's Oracle, 99% chance it's a 0-day lol
  • Jamesbeam 0 minutes ago
    I will tell you where this gets really embarrassing for the FBI.

    Oracle enterprise applications are a gold mine for attackers precisely because nobody treats them as security-critical systems.

    In 2025 the Clop ransomware gang discovered that Oracle E-Business Suite has a critical vulnerability (CVE-2025-61882) that allows unauthenticated remote code execution.

    Graceful Spider (tracked as Clop affiliates) started exploiting this in early August, well before Oracle issued a patch in October. That’s a two-month window where attackers had free rein.

    All you need to know about Clop is that they got fucked by SH as well just a few days ago.

    ShinyHunters defaced Clop's Tor leak site and added its own branding and messages. SH claims it stole source code, system logs, plugins, and Tor onion service keys. SH says it plans to give Clop 72 hours to respond to an extortion message.

    Say what you want but these kids got balls. Won’t help them once SOCOM starts dealing with them, but they had a good run so far.

    In February this year they breached Wynn Resorts and lifted data on 800,000-plus employees. Can you guess the entry point?

    If you guessed Oracle PeopleSoft, you were right.

    Now you’d think the FBI IT people would have noticed that oracle software is a potential national security risk, if multiple ransomware groups keep focusing specifically on the shit Larry Elison personally have to seem vibe coded, over and over.

    But Ka$h replaced most of the competent people at the FBI with Ka$h people and by pure luck Oracle won a $396m HR government contract this summer. Who wouldn’t want to supply the most secure software product to manage some of the most sensitive data within the agency, if not the Oracle Moscow branch.

    https://mesoclever.com/2026/06/11/oracle-wins-396m-hr-contra...

    They even mentioned in the above June article:

    > Separately, the cybercrime group ShinyHunters claimed to have exfiltrated student, financial-aid, immigration, health, and administrative records from PeopleSoft instances at more than 100 organizations, predominantly universities. The group stated it had previously targeted an *FBI PeopleSoft server* before pivoting to educational institutions already compromised in earlier campaigns. Oracle has not publicly confirmed the scope or remediation status of these incidents.

    So the FBI knew, and had it coming, and if stuff like this happens, THE HEAD needs to roll. And all of his buddies in IT should permanently get to spend their time outside the government at the seafood buffet at Ka$hs favorite gentleman’s club as well.

    Fookin Big Idiots.

  • tencentshill 2 hours ago
    Well that's a big one.

    Perhaps firing expertise and hiring incompetents wasn't a good idea.

    • baggachipz 46 minutes ago
      I always assumed DOGE + Ka$h would create an impenetrable fortress of strength; a beacon on the hill of brilliance and security.
      • classified 20 minutes ago
        If you use Trump Coins to reflect the Evil Eye away from you, nothing bad can happen to you.
        • debo_ 6 minutes ago
          It can only good happen.
    • rayiner 58 minutes ago
      Doesn’t seem new. Do you remember the 2015 OPM hack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag.... My data got leaked in that.
      • consumer451 22 minutes ago
        Was that the one where due to political grand-standing, we had a government shutdown that led to furloughing the contractors who worked on security, so no one was watching the dashboard? Or was that a different one?
      • freejazz 27 minutes ago
        Probably just one of the new recruits clicking on a link while viewing beastiality
    • nateb2022 1 hour ago
      There's incompetence in every major company including Oracle. PeopleSoft isn't known for being the most modern or secure thing out there. Less reliance on 3rd party software like this will be a good thing going forward.
      • lenerdenator 57 minutes ago
        That's assuming that the result of this will be to switch away from PeopleSoft.
        • Zigurd 35 minutes ago
          Not even the FBI has hostage negotiators good enough to get you out of an Oracle contract.
          • quickthrowman 22 minutes ago
            I imagine Oracle lawyers to be identical to the Cylons pointing guns at President Gaius Baltar and forcing him to sign death warrants on New Caprica.

            https://youtu.be/2_nUztwPiEY

        • nateb2022 52 minutes ago
          I think enterprise software in this vein used to have a quasi-monopoly due to the sheer work required to build software of its size (not enough engineers exist in the government to do so), and the difficulty for competitors to enter regulated markets and so pretty much 1-2 options to choose from.

          AI now makes it possible to build this kind of software in-house, offering a 2nd choice, though it'll only be as good as the standards of the teams using it. Only time can tell.

          • sarchertech 42 minutes ago
            Enterprise software is complicated mostly because of number of customers it can support.

            Bespoke software can be orders of magnitude less complex. There are many reasons companies choose to use vendor solutions, but for large organizations it’s usually not “we literally can’t hire enough engineers to build it.”

            There are so many counter examples.

            • 0cf8612b2e1e 36 minutes ago
              Considering how bad most enterprise software is, I assumed the only real relevance was if the sales team ponied up some lavish perks to the right VP who only has to sign checks and never actually interact with the software.
    • mc32 1 hour ago
      Do you think this is a consequence of the seemingly quarterly RIFs at Oracle? Is it that offshoring wasn’t such a good idea?
      • lenerdenator 58 minutes ago
        The irony, of course, is that this will likely have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation, which will have a negative impact upon its value, which will then be resolved with more RIFs.

        It's okay. Larry got another island.

        • jmclnx 22 minutes ago
          I doubt it, look at all other breaches over the years.

          If anything Oracle will "contribute" a lot to congress people's midterm reelection and in a few months all will be forgotten and Oracle will get more Gov. contracts.

    • Romanulus 39 minutes ago
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    • Betelbuddy 1 hour ago
      Lets hope the Epstein files see the light of day, thanks to AI...
  • smalltorch 3 hours ago
    Thats a major attack on the US.

    If your systems are compromised and need to coordinate, what do you even do if you can't trust anything, assuming the attacker is still inside the network?

    • Joel_Mckay 48 minutes ago
      In general, most governments have standard operational policies that mitigate such issues (ISO 15408.) =3
      • dvh 42 minutes ago
        ISO and ICC start with the same letter, just saying...
        • Joel_Mckay 39 minutes ago
          The International Cricket Council does have very strict rules. lol =3
    • lenerdenator 49 minutes ago
      Is it, though?

      If the goal is to exfiltrate data, I guess it is. If the goal is to make the people working in the FBI feel vulnerable - and pushing out this sample data would suggest that it is - I don't think it is. You could probably do the same with data from social media sites and data brokers.

      • smalltorch 35 minutes ago
        Uh yeah, it dangerous. Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

        Consider open investigations with covert agents. Leaking their identitys could compromise entire investigations.

        Hopefully there was some foresight in washing undercover agents from these systems to other secure ones or something otherwise that's pretty bad.

  • whynotmaybe 20 minutes ago
    > data totalled between two and three terabytes.

    That's lot of data for a list of employees.

    • AraneaDev 9 minutes ago
      I was gonna say. What else did they get, whole dossiers with photos etc?
  • S-E-P 11 minutes ago
    Hasn't that db been pwned previously?
  • steveBK123 28 minutes ago
    Claiming they got all employee & spouse data.

    Wondering about pets..

  • corvad 43 minutes ago
    Hmm ShinyHunters seems to be in the news quite a bit recently. Most high profile was the Canvas LMS hack last spring right during college finals. Wonder if there will be a ransom for this data as well.
    • john_strinlai 42 minutes ago
      they have been on an absolute roll for quite awhile now.
  • KronisLV 36 minutes ago
    That feels like publicly announcing that you want to be in a lot of trouble.
  • Apocryphon 17 minutes ago
    Remember how the original Mission Impossible movie (1996) was about the bad guys getting the NOC list? This feels somehow even worse than that.
  • bearjaws 24 minutes ago
    America is at war and losing comically.

    Every day 2 major organizations get hacked, whether by groups or state actors, and America continues to sit on its hands.

    The government should be creating a new digital defense department to better defend our country, and fund the defense of our nation, but instead it is busy renaming lakes and renaming "AI".

    Almost like its run by a bunch of 80 year olds...

  • levocardia 37 minutes ago
    So, what are the odds this was done with an open-weight LLM?
    • DaSHacka 1 minute ago
      Uh 0%?

      There are many people that run open weight LLMs. And unsurprisingly, they don't all have a copy of the FBI employee database.

      If you mean "using" an open weight LLM in combination with other tools or even potentially frontier models, then that's a lot more likely.

  • Ancapistani 24 minutes ago
    Meh - I'll believe it when I see the actual data.

    Qilin allegedly hacked BATFE about a month ago, and the files were never posted to their site.

  • kelseyfrog 2 hours ago
    So they're getting access to a year's worth of free credit reporting for the inconvenience?
  • jgalt212 34 minutes ago
    If I use Claude or OpenAI swarm to commit crimes, and the vendor knows I'm up to no good, what's their liability? Do they plan to invoke the phone company defense?
  • dgellow 3 hours ago
    Im sorry given how bad of a situation that is, but it would be so ironic if they used Claude or codex for this
    • ben_w 56 minutes ago
      If the claim is true, I'd expect them to have used either those models or Grok or similar.

      Of course if I was the FBI, I would make it so hackers trying to breach the system get a honeypot where all the data is fake, and with LLMs (even poor ones) it would be very easy to fake an entire alternative reality.

  • TZubiri 1 hour ago
    Is their name a reference to pokemon? Or to the meme that the FBI/CIA glows through the screen?
    • bitwize 52 minutes ago
      You're thinking of "glowie", "shiny" is def a Pokémon thing.
      • mech422 34 minutes ago
        also an mmo thing - hunting for collectibles in game
      • yepyoukno 24 minutes ago
        “Glowie” is a white supremacist slur for “Jew” or “fed” (they think the Feds are “a bunch of Jews”.)

        They say glowie because they see Jews are n*s who are white. They “glow” (they’re not dark.)

        It’s crazy hearing main stream mention this slur slang without awareness of its root or meaning.

        • phainopepla2 11 minutes ago
          I think you have the etymology wrong, although there was (schizophrenic) racism involved in the coining of the term. The "glow" part doesn't come from the fact that they're white (or not dark), it comes from Terry Davis saying that "CIA n*'s glow in the dark" (i.e. are obviously spotted and can't hide their identities).
    • clint 54 minutes ago
      They've been on an streak for over 6 years now, check out their wikipedia page.
  • iAMkenough 1 hour ago
    In the same week the head of the FBI went on national TV to claim credit for increasing the bureau's use of AI by 605%, whatever that's supposed to mean.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

    • giancarlostoro 58 minutes ago
      It means when the FBI builds a case against you make sure your lawyer hires a competent forensic expert. I've seen and heard "expert" testimonies in some court cases that make me angry. There's people using tools that digitally "enhance" small images, and that gets presented as evidence in court. It bewilders me how adding pixels to an image is evidence.
  • Simulacra 58 minutes ago
    Again?
  • applfanboysbgon 1 hour ago
    Wow, that is bold. I wonder if they'll get away with it because incompetent leadership has decimated the US's capabilities? This certainly doesn't bode well for the US's odds against its nation-state rivals.
  • giancarlostoro 1 hour ago
    ...and this is how the FBI makes you a higher priority target, and you wind up caught.
    • clint 58 minutes ago
      US keeps arresting and charging people from this group for well over 6 years now, and this happens in 2026. They don't sound very scared.
      • woko 11 minutes ago
        The group is not afraid, but the individuals who got charged probably stopped all black-hat activity: there was an individual in his early twenties who "was sentenced to three years in prison and ordered to return $5 million", which is life-changing to say the least.
  • phendrenad2 30 minutes ago
    Imagine the FBI's relief when the hackers only got a list of their employees, not the UFO files.
  • htrp 1 hour ago
    TLDR. A Peoplesoft (Oracle HR) instance was compromised which allowed movement into GovCloud (AWS)
    • ok123456 1 hour ago
      PeopleSoft 0-day.

      Just goes to show that the wall of IT bureaucracy does nothing. I'm sure they had an ATO, a several-hundred-page SBOM, compliance audits, etc.

      • 0xbadcafebee 51 minutes ago
        The attackers exfil'd 3TB of data, which obviously included PII, from AWS servers. They should've had DLP, active monitoring, countermeasures, using a security vendor (you can set this up for AWS services using CloudTrail, CloudWatch Logs, etc). You're supposed to have that for sensitive government or military work, and it should have (at least) caught that much traffic going to a rando external IP, blocked and flagged.

        If they did have it set up, then somebody wasn't doing their job. If they didn't have it set up, they didn't comply (which is also not doing their job). I see this all the time. The security analysts send tickets to people when they see major issues and nobody is held accountable for inaction. Management asleep at the wheel (which is also their cover, can't be blamed for what you made sure you never knew about).

      • lenerdenator 54 minutes ago
        It doesn't do nothing. It does make things somewhat harder to attack.

        There was a time, 25-ish years ago, where exploits were thrown about like candy at a parade. The procedures you mention, along with other things, have made zero-days like these more valuable than gold.

    • jimbob45 45 minutes ago
      I’m skeptical that multiple terabytes of data were exfiltrated quietly. I’m struggling to see this as anything other than a bluff.
      • iAMkenough 36 minutes ago
        I'm less skeptical after seeing it happen to IDScan and terrabytes of government-issued IDs being exfiltrated quietly.

        Still skeptical, but the FBI's vendors are just as vulnerable to 0-days as Hertz's vendors.